I am really on the fence with this one. On one hand it is really not a big deal to share it with them, it is only one small part of our module. It would be little different than sending a copy of the module they had (at the time of LSM's birth - I don't consider it a split) if it would have been corrupted and they had no back up. It would be a common courtesy, decent thing to do.

On the other hand, it could be looked at this way...LSM tried to split, and they failed. Whether or not it was all hugs, kisses and corgial behavior at the time or not, it still seemed like a kinda shady move. We do not owe them anything, and I realize that no one is saying we do.

I guess my question is how many TSM clones should we "support?" Say any one of the builders woke up one morning and decided they didn't like the way Stoney and crew were running TSM. He (or she) swiped a copy of the module and put it up, and began to "run their own program." Now say that server makes some changes, and later isn't happy with said changes...should we then give them a copy of some of our areas or scripts?

I realize that situation is not exactly what happened, but when you cut through all the BS, it isn't that far off, now is it? I'm just glad I never sent any of my work to LSM...

I voted NO.

on that note, i would also like to change my vote from yes to no, it just seems like a bit of a messy situation

I agree, why are we supporting the competition? Aren't we trying to build a bigger player base? Supporting a TSM clone isn't the way to do it. I don't have any personnal loyalties in this since I had only been here about a month before the "split" happened. You guys gave them the whole mod once, if they allowed it to be screwed up then I say tough luck.

Yendis of Tyr wrote: You guys gave them the whole mod once, if they allowed it to be screwed up then I say tough luck.

That about sums it up...

Also, I can't help but wonder how many of the votes of YES are from "LSM" folks that were members here or recently signed up.

Lawfire makes a good point..platitudes aside.One wonders,why come to this server to request area mods?Reason one..Well they took the split well the last time..Maybe we can say nice things about them,and they will just hand over the files.If this sounds cynical and calous,so be it.Just one mans oppinion.

Everyone,

We all have opinions and I just ask that we not turn this into a negative thread. Make all opinions known through your vote, feel free to give logic behind your vote if you wish, but please keep the thread moving as a discussion and not just emotional assumptions. We can't say why they came to us. They say it is because they dislike the "new" RM and would like the old one back. Others say it's because they have less honest reasoning.

Really, it's all irregardless. Nothing will change with TSM if we give them RM or if we don't. TSM will continue to support the large community we have in a professional and supportive manner. Personally, I think that is the whole reason they are here. We pride ourselves on listening to the players, actively working WITH them to build this world rather than expect them to simply do as we say. We hold both the DM and Players to a high standard of professional and positive interaction. These standards are what makes TSM a server that people come to and choose to stay. Let's continue to hold ourselves to that standard of gracious and supportive nature. Doesn't mean we have to share the maps, but if the choice is made not to, then let it be based on calm and rational reasoning.

I agree with Stony on many points, but I think we shall cut all ties with the people who claimed independance, as they wanted to split now they have to work by themselves to build up their own mod rather than rely on the work of others, this is common sense.

Also it would save some energy if the staff and confirmed players would concentrate on improving the server, including guilds activity, server activity during eurotimeline which is currently a real problem.

This week end I connected myself several times only to realize an average population of five players during eurotimeline 10 am to 11 pm, I think that is our real problem, those threads about LSM in my opinion should be removed and handled by the staff as they see fit, as it doesn't concern all new players who ask an active server so they could get some fun.

Better taking care of your customers than giving a tribune to the concurence.

Enjoy.

I would like to uh, clarify a point here.

LSM didn't fail. Its admin and host lost interest.

If your host disappeared, your admin disappeared, and the server went offline, you would "Fail" too. In fact, that -has- happened to TSM, several times. Remember when Vigo and Ella took the server down?

The LSM community remained strong for some weeks after Jake's disappearance.

I post this because I see a lot of derogatory sentiment from some people here, that is misplaced.

I still strongly feel that LSM was, at its core, a better server. Things were implemented here on TSM only after they were done on LSM and people who played on both servers said "Hey, this is a pretty good idea!" I say that with all due respect to to Stonewyvern and all of you, but before Jake abandoned us, LSM had comparable or superior player counts to TSM at various parts of the day.

So again, with all due respect to your varied feelings on the matter, we didn't fail. We were sabotaged. Don't act like the server was doomed to failure from the start, because the same circumstances could screw over any other, tomorrow or the next day.

Bear in mind, these are the ramblings of somebody with a powerful conviction and a bit of unresolved bitterness. I'm not trying to offend anyone or start a pissing contest, I'm just asking that the general degradation of LSM not become a running issue, because there is still some fragment of community left that might...someday...turn into something again.

Quote: I would like to uh, clarify a point here.

LSM didn't fail. Its admin and host lost interest.

If your host disappeared, your admin disappeared, and the server went offline, you would "Fail" too. In fact, that -has- happened to TSM, several times. Remember when Vigo and Ella took the server down?

The LSM community remained strong for some weeks after Jake's disappearance.

Quote: I post this because I see a lot of derogatory sentiment from some people here, that is misplaced.

I still strongly feel that LSM was, at its core, a better server. Things were implemented here on TSM only after they were done on LSM and people who played on both servers said "Hey, this is a pretty good idea!" I say that with all due respect to to Stonewyvern and all of you, but before Jake abandoned us, LSM had comparable or superior player counts to TSM at various parts of the day.

So again, with all due respect to your varied feelings on the matter, we didn't fail. We were sabotaged. Don't act like the server was doomed to failure from the start, because the same circumstances could screw over any other, tomorrow or the next day.

Alright, stop posting this stuff on our site please. We have been so nice to you guys for along time. I even voted to give back parts of the mod that got screwed up! I have been very impressed with how we have remained above the fray here on TSM. For the first time in TSM history, we allowed the mod to keep running on another server! in part as for thanking Jake for hosting it for us for several months. That was huge, unprecidented and extremely generous of us. Now we have even approved giving you guys what was lost or so the poll strongly suggests . Still more praise should be heaped upon the TSM community for that bit of unselfishness.

We all understand how things can go sour with hosts as this has happened to TSM several times in its history. In fact, as a server we have been extremely understanding to the players of LSM. Now we ask the very same of you. If you possess any tact what so ever, you will stop sullying OUR boards with your dirty laundry on this matter. Please... for the love of all that is holy, someone tell me this guy will never be a DM here on TSM.

voted "NO!" To the devil with them. And yes, Chaos I doubt you will ever see this particular fellow as a DM here, not if I have any say in the matter.

Ok, since everyone has had a chance to make their opinions known through their vote and this is quickly appearing to divert attentions that should be elsewhere, I'm locking this down with the final decision to share Rivermoot. Even with the changed votes the final call is to share.

So, Aeternus, please prepare Rivermoot for mailing.

So, as far as TSM is concerned, LSM, LSMR, LSC, or whoever are welcome to play here, or not play here, but this topic is history as far as we are concerned.